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A more substantive treatise on oil, energy, and media

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GOVT WTF?!A couple nights ago, I posted a quick entry here about Barack Obama on domestic oil.

Levi Pearson, a friend and a fellow local geek, got right on my case about some issues he had with what I said and left some comments. He had some really good points and most people will miss out on these because now they're buried in the thread of comments attached to the original article.

Also, this weekend, Pete Ashdown, owner of Utah Internet service provider XMission and former candidate for US Senate, posted a status update on his Facebook site that the Salt Lake Tribune had published an opinion piece he wrote about Utah's national GOP delegation and their... seemingly hypocritical grandstanding on energy and domestic oil production issues.

As a result of the back-and-forth with Levi and Pete, and my own research and introspection, I decided it would be best to write another entry explaining what I've learned and what I've concluded.

I'll admit, looking over what I originally wrote in my previous entry, it was a fluff piece. I was ranting without any facts or figures to back me up. That's not to say I think I was wrong. In fact, I think I've found information to back me up.

Pete's opinion piece was a pretty level-headed argument that Utah's GOP representatives (and presumed congressman-elect) and senators are unfairly pointing fingers at democrats and generally just adding to the dysfunction that is our congress.

Rob Bishop

I completely agree with Pete that Sen. Hatch and Sen. Bennett have way too much non-action under their belt to answer for to be out touting their newly discovered position on energy policy. This is especially the case for Hatch who has plenty of seniority. They both need to be voted out of office as soon as possible, in my opinion.

Rep. Bishop, I actually like. I looked at his voting record both since the Democrats have gained majority control of congress and before and found, while he treads a little closer to the party line than I would like, he votes the way I would like on most issues.

Now, I was concerned that I saw he vote NO on a bill last year (HR 6), the Creating Long-term Energy Alternatives for the Nation act. This sounds like the kind of bill I would want an elected official representing our state to vote for, but then I looked at the details. This was one of the "first 100 hours" bills that Pelosi pushed when the Democrats first took control and contains broad, sweeping legislation to enact price controls on oil companies, remove select subsidies and deductions given to oil and natural gas producers, and add taxes on oil imports and domestic production to fund investment in alternative fuels and alternative energy.

California representative Wally Herger had some remarks on this legislation that were spot-on:

"A truly balanced energy bill would begin with the serious problem of record gas prices and reducing America's dependence on foreign sources of energy and then proceed with creating incentives that would unleash the power of American inventiveness and creativity in order to develop the next generation of energy technology and supplies. H.R. 6 relies on an outdated and failed belief that Washington knows best. Over 1,000 pages of legislative text contains little in the way of broad-based incentives, but is chock-full of new regulations and a higher tax burden, which will do little, if anything, for consumers. A better approach would get Washington out of the way and allow market-oriented solutions to provide for an affordable, diverse, and secure energy supply for America."
-- 17 December 2007

Another representative, Don Young of Alaska made a more ideological remark about the proposed legislation.

"I am wearing this red shirt today; it's the color of the bill that we are debating, communist red. It is a taking."
-- 23 January 2007

Anyway, back to Pete's article! It's probably just a coincidence this opinion piece came out the Sunday after a group of House republicans took to the floor of the house after the House had adjourned, to protest Pelosi not allowing an up or down vote on a bill that would allow more domestic oil production. Rob Bishop was the only member of the Utah delegation to join this group and I applaud him for standing on the issue like he did.

Where was Chris Cannon? Who cares? There's a reason he got tossed in the primaries and his absence almost says it all.

Jason Chaffetz

Pete threw a barb at Jason Chaffetz for going on a trip to Alaska telling the press he believes all our energy woes are attributable to the democrats. I agree with Pete that such a comment is, well, stupid. I went and looked for a media report on Chaffetz's comments. Sure enough, it's a pretty glaring comment and shows Chaffetz is, in some regard, just like every other person who has ever run for office and made vague, unsubstantiated criticisms of the opposition party.

"There's no doubt that Democrats are the problem. We've done what they've suggested, and look at the results -- since (House Speaker) Nancy Pelosi took over, gas prices have doubled,"
-- 18 July 2008

I know enough about the factors that have fed into the rising gas prices over the last five years to know that a Democrat majority in congress beginning January 2007 isn't to blame. However, I do think the factors that led to the Democrat Party wresting power from the Republicans is part of the problem.

That being said, Chaffetz was quoted in the same article saying something that reminded me why I'm glad I helped make him the GOP nominee for the congressional race:

"We have to explore every facet of development that's available -- wind, solar, hydro, nuclear -- we have to move forward on all fronts."

Pete's proposed solution... Re-run Carter?

Pete praised Jimmy Carter (which makes me a little worried about Pete) and his energy policy.

"It is more revealing to look further back to the much-maligned President Carter who, in 1979, during the first oil crunch, set goals for our country so we'd never see a second energy crisis. "Carter proposed that U.S. automakers attain a whopping 48-mile-per-gallon fuel efficiency by 1995. He demanded that we curtail imported oil by imposing fees. Finally, Carter proposed windfall taxes on oil companies to fund alternative energy and a goal of generating 20 percent of our power from solar by 2000. "

I think we now know solar power still isn't a viable source of "core" electric power. Otherwise, Pete would be running XMission on solar power, right? I've read some estimates that solar power might begin to be viable in as little as five years. I think it's fair to say President Carter's plan was a wee bit unrealistic.

And then there's Carter's "double-edged plan" to impose fees or tariffs on imported oil and then tax the heck out of domestic oil compnnies or penalize their profits.

I fail to see how this would have helped anything or how doing the same thing today would help anything. All this would do is hurt consumers more (with even higher prices at the pump) and possibly result in gasoline shortages.

Hurray for Jimmy Carter!

Oh, and while we're talking about windfall profits, consider that oil companies make about 8.5% profit. If that's going to be considered a windfall profit, what happens to companies in other industries like Publishing (34% average profit), Health Care Facilities (48% average profit), or Hotels (10.6% average profit)?!

Generally, I agree with Pete that we need to do something big, akin to the Apollo program or the Manhattan project, to get our country into a better energy situation. I also believe it will take years to accomplish the goal.

I believe the solution is for the government to get out of the way of business, within reason. Pete seems to think a massive government program is called for and he even insinuates that we may need a repeat of The Great Depression before the public agrees with him.

Maybe the ideal solution is something in between.

Levi and relief from gasoline prices

Levi criticized my claim that simple policy changes could lower gas prices to as low as $3.00/gallon or $2.50/gallon. That would represent a 33 to 42 percent drop in price. Yeah... Levi... I think you're right on this one. I don't know what I was smoking, but that's clearly quite a long shot.

That being said, I do believe that a combination of Summer driving season ending within the next month and, possibly, congressional policy changes on increased domestic production, could very well result in lower gas prices. Perhaps a more realistic estimate would be 10-15%. That would bring us down to the neighborhood of $3.65/gallon. You won't be hearing much complaining from me if that happens.

Levi, facts, media, and Glenn

One thing in Levi's comments really hit me hard:

"Most of my googling turned up articles reporting on opinion polls, which show that a majority of respondents believe that drilling for oil will reduce gas prices in the short-term. This, frankly, disgusts me. We're not lemmings, we should get facts and draw our own conclusions, not get our coverage of the issue solely based on some vague percentage of support in the polls. What a tremendous failure of the media!"

Levi's right. There's a symbiotic relationship between elected officials, public opinion, and media coverage of issues. The rise of a plethora of cable news sources, Internet news sources and more has resulted in news (and opinion) that is short on facts. In fact, it seems increasingly obvious that opinion makes the news as much as news does.

Levi has commented to me before that he thought a certain stance I had on an issue was indicative of "Glenn Beck thinking." I took that to mean he was inferring that I didn't really have a substantive opinion of my own on the issue, that I was just repeating what I had heard from talk radio.

Talk radio does get a bad rap for that -- that listeners are nothing more than lemmings or foot soliders lined up for marching orders.

I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh a lot. That was before I got hooked on Glenn Beck. Looking back, I think Rush is more of, dare I say, a shill for the Republican Party, than I was willing to admit. He's been very vocal about not liking John McCain this year and that would represent some independence from the party, but I think he's still quite beholden.

But Rush Limbaugh isn't the "blowhard" a lot of people like to make him out to be. If a caller phones into Rush's program and whines about this or that and says something like "Rush, I know we live in a democracy, but this is insane!" Mr. Limbaugh will stop everything and take five, ten minutes, however long it takes, to help this caller (and all the people listening) understand that we do not live in a democracy, we don't want to live in a democracy, and here's why: bam, bam, bam. He'll lay it all out and I have to respect the guy for using his forum to actually educate his listeners and not just indoctrinate them.

Anyone who has listened to (or watched) Glenn Beck for any significant length of time knows he's got a pretty cool team of researchers working for him on both his radio program and his TV show. They fact-check just about everything before it goes on the air. In addition, Glenn seems very sensitive about the typical talk-radio rumors that always go around. For example, lately it's that Barack Obama won't pledge allegiance to the flag, that he's not a Christian, etc. In fact, this last week, a guy called into Glenn's radio program to point out Obama's hypocricy in saying he was embarrassed that Americans don't know many foreign languages but that he delivered all his Europe speeches in English. Then, the caller thought it would be funny to add a little something. Read below and observe as Glenn deals with it.

CALLER: Well, you know, I'm not really sure about when he went to, oh, the Muslim countries. But I have a feeling he speaks their language, though.

GLENN: See, now wait a minute. I don't even know what that means. Why would you even go there?

CALLER: Well, because I'm just the evil conservative.

GLENN: Well, you know what? You know what? You give conservatives a bad name when you -- no, listen to me, Cliff.

CALLER: Okay.

GLENN: When you insinuate that Obama is a Muslim and he's not a Muslim, you give conservatives a bad name. You give people a bad name because that is the kind of argument where you lose immediately. You say something like that and nobody worth their salt listens to you anymore about what you have to say about Barack Obama. Don't say those things. There's no reason to say those things. You know what? You say something like that and then I stop looking to see if Obama ever, the elitist, ever did say, "You know what, you go over to other countries, I'm sick of these Americans" because I no longer believe you. I don't think you have any credibility at all.

--28 July 2008

To kind of get back on topic here, I admit a chunk of my opinion is shaped by what Glenn Beck says, but I'm willing to go with it because I know he (and his people) have done their work. Plus, Glenn encourages his listeners to learn for themselves and often gives them the sources where they can find the facts  themselves.

Facts to back me up

So, I went out looking for articles written by "experts" in energy policy and found a lot of what I was looking for at The Heritage Foundation.

And here are a couple other articles I found.

Whew. I'm tired.

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Levi said:

Wow, that must have been hard, finding a bunch of essays supporting your view at the Heritage Foundation. No wonder you're tired. :)

I thought of using some references to similar essays (but taking the opposite view), but figured they'd be dismissed out of hand as spun from the liberally-biased media machine, so I dug as close as I could get to actual facts and unbiased analysis.

What's funny is that this article (http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed060908b.cfm) quotes DOI estimates as making a lie of the people who are essentially quoting the DOE analysis I linked to. He also compares the oil we could pull from federal lands to 50 years of imports from Saudi Arabia, as if we actually import a big percentage of our oil from there right now. This is simply a way to inflate the number, since the vast majority of the oil we use comes from the Western Hemisphere, with Canada and Mexico being our biggest import sources right now. We actually consume ~7.5 billion barrels of oil per year right now, which kind of puts all these numbers in perspective. Only the OPEC nations (and Canada) have the kind of reserves with the capacity to supply our oil appetite beyond the next 20 years or so.

At current oil prices, Canada can profitably produce oil from its oil sands, which gives them a total of 179 billion barrels in proven reserves, which is second only to Saudi Arabia. They are, and will continue to be, our primary import oil source for a long time to come.

Regarding timeframes, here's a quote from one of your articles, which echoes something I said in my original response: 'In reality, the process of exploration and drilling takes many years, including a lengthy regulatory process, and many of these "idle" leases are being developed as expeditiously as possible.'

Another one says that timeframe could be lessened by removing regulatory issues (my guess is that this includes stuff like environment impact analysis, which I certainly wouldn't advocate skipping) that could be expedited. Given that it's not going to do anything in the short term, I don't think we really need to expedite it.

Anyway, if you extrapolate from the DOE analysis, and you consider the trends of increasing oil usage around the world, it becomes pretty clear that opening up our federal lands for oil production will not have a huge impact on oil prices. It's probably a good idea to open some of these areas for oil production, as long as we keep environmental and aesthetic considerations taken care of.

Frankie Ray said:

Greetings Doran and Levi, et al...

This may be just a point of order, as I do think that Chaffetz saying that the current gas prices are the fault of the Democrats was a temporary poor choice of words...

But I have spoken with Chaffetz personally many times...and what I have repeatedly heard him say in regard to Oil, Pelosi and the Democrats is simply this: When campaigning for election in 2006, Pelosi and other Democrats used "high gas prices" as a campaign issue and promised to bring gas prices down...(which is true)...and then prices have continued to go up since 2006...(which is also true).

Now, forgetting the ill-advised blame comment... Chaffetz' point that Democrats made this an issue and promised to being gas prices DOWN only to be followed by gas prices going UP is at the least a valid point to make about the current Democrat controlled Congress certainly NOT being part of any solutions.

And Chaffetz ALSO won the Utah Republican Primary by blasting incumbent Republicans for ALSO not being part of the solution. You have to at least give him a point for blaming incumbent members from BOTH parties rather than just one party.


Having said that, what I really wanted to make a point about is Jimmy Carter and oil prices. I'm old enough to have lived through the Carter years, a time when gas was more expensive than it is today after adjusting for inflation and it was a higher percentage of the average family's income than it is today. (It was not a fun four years).

Carter did more than advocate higher MPG for cars. He instituted the Synfuels project and declared that after his $88 billion program was implemented that America would become "energy independent". Period!

So what happened? Well, no sooner than the US embarked on this project, OPEC miraculously found a way to lower oil prices...immediately...and gas prices dropped dramatically. Hence, we all forgot about becoming "energy independent."

That magic oil price reduction shortly after Carter announced his Synfuel program is not surprising when you realize that Oil is not one of your normal "supply and demand" commodities.

The price of oil is mostly set by OPEC countries that do NOT publish their production stats...so they can price it up or down or raise and lower production at their whim.

Unlike any other commodity, the world's oil speculators bet on the price of oil using "estimates" that are formulated by "expert observers" who make their observations from a distance and completely in the dark.

There simply is no hard production data available from any OPEC countries. (That's "none" as in zero, zip, nada, and none at all.)


So if we start drilling...as in right now immediately...you WILL see the OPEC countries magically drop the price of oil...also immediately...just because of the threat to their captive customer base.

Price wise, this would be good for us immediately...and if we don't "forget" this time around and keep working towards complete energy independence (developing every viable "alternative energy" along the way) it will also be good for us in the long run.

To me, the question of whether to drill or not comes down to a few simple questions:
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1) Short term, anything we can do to increase domestic production will improve the price because of increased supply and because OPEC will react to the threat...yes?

2) Short term, Long Term, and MOST IMPORTANTLY: Anything we can do to increase domestic production will mean less dollars being sent overseas to countries that either hate us or at best aren't giving us a warm fuzzy secure feeling when we think about them...yes?

3) Long term, anything we can do to become energy independent of the world (self sufficient in other words)is a good thing...yes?

4) Long term, along the way, anything we can do to develop alternative fuel sources other than oil will help us become self-sufficient...yes?

5) This is sort of off topic but its a sore spot with me: Short term or long term, burning our food supply to make energy (a la ethanol)is a really dumb approach to alternative fuels..especially because it takes so much existing energy to do the converting of food to energy that the only reason it is economically viable is because of government subsidies...yes?


6) Finally, as thinking people, doesn't it seem self-evident that it really doesn't take 10 years to drill for oil and/or build a refinery? It MAY take 10 years to complete the existing system's applications and approval process and whatever other legal and bureaucratic red tape is involved...but that's a political problem that can be overcome.

SO short term and long term, anything we can do to fix this political problem will certainly allow us to drill and/or build refinery's quickly...yes?


Here's an interesting side note about Carter's Synfuels program: 27 years ago, in a Time magazine article from Sept 14th, 1981: "Budget Director David Stockman...argues that synfuels will not make a significant contribution to American energy supplies for decades to come"

Sound familiar?

Thanks for an excellent discussion!
Frank
www.ourcaucus.com

Doran "Fozz" Barton Author Profile Page said:

Thank you Frank! That was very interesting.

vontrapp Author Profile Page said:

All this talk about prices and taxes and world markets and domestic oil selling for the same price as all oil and therefore not benefiting us at all got me thinking. What if we impose an export tax on domestic oil. Now this is a fair tax, and a more legal tax than 90% of taxes already in existence and furthermore a tax I doubt any American would disagree with. This allows the global oil price to meet the exported domestic oil price while keeping domestic prices lower. This isn't a silver bullet. We would have to be very careful on the specifics of this tax. For example, if the export tax is too high then the domestic oil companies wouldn't be able to sell the oil globally OR locally, and that would be useless.
@levi
This sentence disappoints me greatly. "Given that it's not going to do anything in the short term, I don't think we really need to expedite it." So because drilling won't happen fast enough there's no reason to make it happen faster. Well what if by making it happen faster we thereby make it happen 'fast enough'? Maybe that's not what you meant, I invite you to clarify.

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